MGR Deductions by Network / Room

[TimPAS]

This is primarily a reference of player deductions. However, we have provided some notes on affiliate deductions as well, especially for rooms with well-known deductions that are different than what players receive. We cannot provide a comprehensive list of ALL potential affiliate deductions due to how poker sites report deductions and the difficulty in gathering and updating this information.

PAS Promotions are free for all of our publishers to promote and are never deducted against MGR.

Affiliates, note that most sites deduct for charge-backs and fraud.

If you find anything that is out of date or inaccurate please post in this thread and we will update it.

Bodog

Affiliates & Players: , Chargebacks, processing fees, bonuses and any cash promo such as the Bad Beat Jackpot, Points to Cash and Royal Flush bonus.

Rake calculation method: Weighted contributed, adjusted for skill level (affiliates)


Boss Media - Fortune Poker / Paradise Poker / Poker Heaven/ Interpoker

Players: No deductions

Affiliates: Bonuses are deducted from MGR.

Rake calculation method: Weighted contributed


Cake Network - Cake Poker / Red Star Poker /Broadway Tables/ Poker World/ Intertops Poker

Players: No deductions

Affiliates: Bonuses, deposit fees, chargebacks and promo cash awarded deducted from MGR. Broadway Tables does not deduct chargebacks.

Rake calculation method: Dealt


Everleaf - Minted Poker / Cellsino Poker/ RaiseandFold / PokerView

Affiliates & Players: None

Rake calculation method: Weighted contributed


iPoker - Titan Poker / Mansion Poker / Betfred -

Affiliates : Bonuses and chargebacks

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


Merge Gaming - Carbon Poker / Black Chip Poker / Poker Nordica / GR88 / Overbet

Affiliates: See below

Site deductions broken down by site (updated: July 2011)

Carbon: Chargebacks and bonuses/coupons
Black Chip: Bonuses and VIP program bonuses
GR88: Bonuses and chargebacks

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


Microgaming Network - Unibet

Affiliates & Players: Bonuses

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


Entraction – NoIQ / Kickoff Poker

Players: None
Affiliates : Rake races

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


Ongame - Tower Gaming / Eurobet / Betsafe / Betfair / RedKings

Affiliates & Players: Bonuses and VIP. Eurobet deducts 1% for taxes. Betsafe deducts races and 15% for admin fees.

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed with points adjustment based on skill level. Skilled players earn fewer points than inferior opponents.


PartyPoker / WPT Poker

Affiliates: Bonuses, VIP and processing fees

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed - Starting August 24, 2011


PKR

Affiliates & Players: Bonuses are deducted from MGR.

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


True Poker

Affiliates : 7% deduction on deposits and withdrawals, chargebacks, bonuses, promotions, FPP usage Players:Bonuses

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed


High Pulse Poker

No Deductions

Rake calculation method: Winner Take All


Rooms Removed from PAS Network:

Cereus - Absolute Poker / Ultimate Bet

Affiliates & Players: Bonuses are deducted for all players. Deposit fees are deducted for U.S. players only.

Rake calculation method: Average contributed


Full Tilt Poker

Affiliates & Players: Bonuses, payment processing fees, overlays and points spent in the store. Iron Man mid year and end of year bonuses are not deducted. Academy and Iron Man purchases are not deducted upon purchase but may be deducted later on based on how they are used (FTPs and bonuses are deducted when they are used/purchased).

Rake calculation method: Weighted Contributed

[GonzoPAS]

Below is a summary of the various rake calculation methods:

In the online poker world, there are at least four different ways that a site will calculate the rake that your player generates. If you offer your players rakeback or just have a general revenue share account, this can be very important to know:

Dealt: The easiest method of calculating rake generated. It is calculated simply by dividing the rake taken from the table by the amount of players dealt cards in the hand. Example: $1 rake with 10 players dealt cards. Each player would receive $0.10 in MGR attributed to them.

Average Contributed: Contributed rake is calculated by taking the amount of rake taken from the table and dividing it between the players who made a contribution to the pot. A player who folded before the flop and did not contribute at all to the pot would not get credit for any rake. Example: $1 rake with 10 players dealt cards, 4 of which contribute to the pot (including both blinds). Each player would get credit for $0.25 in MGR.

Weighted Contributed: Weighted contributed is like contributed, but is different in the fact that it allocates MGR based on how much of the pot a player contributed to. Example: Three players contributed money to the pot. The pot is $20 with a $1 rake. Player 1 and player 2 each contributed $8 and player 3 contributed the remaining $4. Player 1 and 2 would each receive 40% of the rake in MGR ($0.40) and Player 3 would receive the remaining 20% ($0.20).

Ongame Essence: Essentially they use a weighted contributed method and then adjust the numbers based on a player's skill level. A player who is superior to his opponents will earn fewer points; a interior player would earn more. Based on reports we have received from players, the calculation is generally no more than +/- 25%. An exact formula has not been released by Ongame.

[Rakeback Safe]

Players do endeed have deductions on Boss Media !

On Boss Media players earn ~ 1FPP for every €0,25 in contributed rake.

Now if the player spend this FPP again they get deducted €0.25 in MGR.

So if a player earn lets say: 400FPP ( ~ €100 rake) and spend all the FPP again affiliates get NOTHING (I guess it can go negative if the player got a bonus or other in-house promotions aswell.)

So this FPP deduction affects players and affiliates on Boss rooms !

I am pretty confident this is how it works in the boss software.

And not to forget: Players ofcourse need to rake €100 (no FPP spend) to get anything at all.

[Rakeback Safe]

Not all Merge rooms have the same deductions !

Poker Nordica has something called "Network fees" a secret percentage which is deducted from MGR on top of bonuses and all that stuff.

Carbon Poker does NOT have "Network fees" as a deduction, and they don´t deduct payment processer fees either

I guess they are all different, i only checked 2 Merge rooms. They should all be checked out, IMO !

Now i don´t think i should do all the work, ship the money lol


Added: I have spend several hours on this topic today !

[Self Made]

iPoker just says contributed. Is it weighted or average?

Fatbet's on the Melita Gaming Network.

[GonzoPAS]

Hey guys,

Just a couple updates:

First of all, we are looking more extensively into the Merge Gaming and Boss Network concerns brought up in this thread. We hope to be able to update everyone shortly. Please bare with us a bit as part of this fact-finding mission will require us to contact our reps.

Self Made: I believe iPoker is under the average contributed method. We will see if we can get clarification on that though. We have placed Fat Bet under the Melita Gaming Network per your suggestion.

Thanks again everyone; we appreciate your patience.

Best wishes,
Gonzo


edit: meant to say "average contributed" for iPoker

[GonzoPAS]

Not all Merge rooms have the same deductions !

Poker Nordica has something called "Network fees" a secret percentage which is deducted from MGR on top of bonuses and all that stuff.

Carbon Poker does NOT have "Network fees" as a deduction, and they don´t deduct payment processer fees either

I guess they are all different, i only checked 2 Merge rooms. They should all be checked out, IMO !

Now i don´t think i should do all the work, ship the money lol


Added: I have spend several hours on this topic today !

After some investigation, we have come up with the following deductions for Merge rooms (still waiting on Overbet) as it relates to poker-related deductions (does not account for any deductions from casino play):

Carbon: Chargeback and bonuses/coupons
Black Chip: Bonuses and VIP program bonuses
GR88: Bonuses and chargebacks
Players Only: Bonuses and chargebacks
Poker Nordica: Bonuses, chargebacks, adjustments, Network fee (still hoping to get "adjustments" and "network fee" clarified.

We hope to have the Boss information shortly.

[Rakeback Safe]

After some investigation, we have come up with the following deductions for Merge rooms (still waiting on Overbet) as it relates to poker-related deductions (does not account for any deductions from casino play):

Carbon: Chargeback and bonuses/coupons
Black Chip: Bonuses and VIP program bonuses
GR88: Bonuses and chargebacks
Players Only: Bonuses and chargebacks
Poker Nordica: Bonuses, chargebacks, adjustments, Network fee (still hoping to get "adjustments" and "network fee" clarified.

We hope to have the Boss information shortly.

Great, thank you very much for getting this info

It seems like Poker Nordica is the black sheep in the zoo, lol network fee !

[GonzoPAS]

iPoker just says contributed. Is it weighted or average?

It looks like I assumed incorrectly. iPoker calculates MGR based on the weighted contributed method. However, if you are a player, you may notice that the points that are earned at the cash tables are basically "average contributed."

Gonzo

[GonzoPAS]

Poker Nordica- "Network fee" is a fee PN pays to Merge; it's based on a % but they could not elaborate. "Adjustments" include items such as VIP Point store purchases.